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22:12:48 <Paranoiac>	But then, I have no idea what I'm talking about
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22:13:00 <Forbze>	lol
22:13:19 <simprix>	ok im back
22:13:20 <AZTEK>	well now loging works
22:13:28 <AZTEK>	i am loging simprix
22:13:33 <simprix>	ok
22:13:59 <simprix>	anyone can butt in if they want or if i say something wrong
22:13:59 <simprix>	ok
22:14:22 <simprix>	everyone here
22:14:34 <miteymous>	;]
22:14:39 <Strider>	ya
22:14:52 <simprix>	ok girls and boys
22:15:43 <simprix>	Ok this will be centralized around linux because I have never done this in Windows and Windows sucks
22:16:13 <miteymous>	oki
22:16:14 <simprix>	one thing i do know if you want to do this in windows then you need to use netstumpler
22:16:32 <miteymous>	or ApSniff
22:16:47 <miteymous>	from a website i am lookin at :/
22:16:57 <simprix>	Ok first off in linux you need to recompile your kernel with netlink and get rid of pcmcia support in the kernel
22:17:20 <simprix>	then you have to get the pcmcia source for pcmcia-cd.sourceforge.net
22:17:47 <simprix>	there are to ways you can do it now
22:18:16 <simprix>	you can use the wireless extensions in the kernel but you need a good card like a cisco aironet card
22:18:52 <simprix>	but the wireless extensions does not have as good sniffing techniques as the linux-wlan source
22:19:05 <simprix>	so they way i have done it is using the linux-wlan-ng source
22:19:30 <simprix>	you can get that from www.linux-wlan.org and you need to compile that
22:19:37 <simprix>	any questions so far?
22:19:59 <simprix>	or is no one listening
22:20:00 <Strider>	nope
22:20:15 <miteymous>	is there info on editing the kernel?
22:20:48 <simprix>	have you recompiled a kernel before?
22:20:49 <Strider>	miteymouse, wheres that site with ApSniff?
22:21:04 <miteymous>	no im new sorry :(
22:21:12 <miteymous>	strider: www.wardriving.com
22:21:20 <Paranoiac>	What he/she/it said^
22:21:21 <Strider>	thnx
22:21:25 <simprix>	ok well you should read the howto 
22:21:40 <miteymous>	i plan on it :P
22:21:54 <simprix>	ok once you have compiled all that stuff your almost ready to get started
22:22:23 <Paranoiac>	Could you just explain what it is that those modifications do?
22:22:40 <Paranoiac>	Or is it too lenghty to explain now.
22:22:50 <simprix>	oh yea the linux-wlan stuff only works with the prism2 chipset, which are cards like linksys, dlink, netgear, zoom alot of consumer cards
22:23:09 <simprix>	what motifications
22:23:23 <Paranoiac>	The recompilations
22:23:36 <simprix>	they are pretty much drivers for the cards
22:23:47 <simprix>	i prefer the zoom wireless cards
22:23:53 <Paranoiac>	Ah, ty
22:24:17 <simprix>	ok does everyone in here know what snmp is
22:24:59 <Forbze>	any aussies here>?
22:25:02 <Forbze>	SNMP
22:25:03 *	Paranoiac does not....is a know-nothing-newb
22:25:39 <simprix>	well the linux-wlan binaries are alot like using snmp
22:25:56 <simprix>	like to specify the ssid
22:26:33 <simprix>	a ssid is kinda like a network id 
22:26:46 <simprix>	say one access point is on ssid: ap01 
22:27:00 <simprix>	and one access point is on ssid: ap02
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22:27:28 <simprix>	and you want to attach to ap01 then you would use the ssid of ap01
22:27:45 <simprix>	it is two specify wireless networks
22:27:48 <simprix>	everyone with me?
22:27:53 <simprix>	and questions?
22:28:12 <Forbze>	SNMP - Simple Network Managment Protocol
22:28:21 <simprix>	ep
22:28:22 <simprix>	yep
22:28:37 <Paranoiac>	Ah
22:29:00 <Forbze>	http://www.rad.com/networks/1995/snmp/snmp.htm
22:29:12 <Paranoiac>	Ty
22:30:09 <simprix>	ok but if you are not familer with snmp and using mibs, you could use a program my friend wrote called wlanfe you can get it from se.rious.net or freshmeat.net
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22:31:00 <simprix>	ok now you are ready to go wardriving 
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22:31:34 <simprix>	i am warning, make sure you are with someone else and make them drive
22:31:49 <Paranoiac>	Hehe
22:31:58 <simprix>	it is really hard to drive and look at your computer at the same time trust me
22:32:18 <Forbze>	wtf?
22:32:21 <Forbze>	drive?
22:32:26 <Forbze>	and computer
22:32:32 <Strider>	heh
22:33:06 <simprix>	yes
22:33:25 <simprix>	also you should get some programs before you go 
22:33:48 <miteymous>	so you basically can just use someone elses wireless network?
22:34:02 <simprix>	these programs are kismet, airsnort, scanchan, arpping
22:34:06 <simprix>	yes miteymous
22:34:10 <miteymous>	like...hijack it...an invisible parasite?
22:34:13 <miteymous>	ok question
22:34:19 <simprix>	yes
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22:34:53 <miteymous>	would it be possible to set up your own wireless network, that hijacks your targets, and then spreads it farther via your equipment
22:35:06 <miteymous>	maybe letting you have free access at your house
22:35:14 <simprix>	yes you could bridge the connection
22:35:21 <simprix>	with a wireless bridge
22:35:41 <Paranoiac>	he networks would need to overlap, though
22:35:45 <Paranoiac>	*The
22:35:52 <miteymous>	would the same basic techniques work with cell phone modems
22:36:34 <simprix>	well if you have the wireless bridge on the same ssid then your ok
22:36:40 <simprix>	and they wont overlap
22:36:53 <simprix>	miteymous: i dont know anything about cell phone modems
22:37:16 <miteymous>	well i mean they obviously work on different frequencies
22:37:16 <simprix>	it might work but i dont know what cell phones use as there protocals
22:37:39 <simprix>	well then you could use a frequency counter and use a ham radio
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22:37:51 <LiquidKn0wledge>	hey is neve campbelle that girl in the movie three to tango?
22:38:44 <simprix>	everyone ready to continue
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22:39:06 <Strider>	go ahead :)
22:39:29 <miteymous>	yah
22:39:31 <miteymous>	:D
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22:40:08 <simprix>	ok well when you are ready to go you need to put your wireless card in promiscuos mode which means it will gather everything that is in the air 
22:40:35 <simprix>	there are tools that come with kismet
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22:40:56 <simprix>	ok after that is all set you will start up kismet
22:41:15 <simprix>	and go drive around 
22:41:51 <simprix>	once something pops up on the screen there will be three sections
22:42:02 <zemo>	nite all
22:42:04 <simprix>	ssid: it will say the ssid here
22:42:14 <Strider>	nite
22:42:20 <simprix>	WEP: it will say if wep is being used
22:42:32 <simprix>	channel it will say what channel the network is on 
22:42:48 <simprix>	does everyone know what WEP is
22:43:00 <miteymous>	no
22:43:05 <Paranoiac>	ditto
22:43:19 <simprix>	wireless encryption protocal
22:43:56 <simprix>	it encrypts the network 
22:44:17 <simprix>	so you cant attach to the network unless you have the wep key
22:44:36 <Paranoiac>	What kind of encryption is it?
22:45:27 <simprix>	RC4
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22:45:57 <miteymous>	so you have to crack the encryption then, does kismet do that?
22:46:04 <simprix>	no 
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22:46:30 <simprix>	ok we will get to what you do if they use wep
22:46:44 <simprix>	but first we will talk about a network with out wep
22:47:19 <simprix>	while you are watching a kismet it will say what the ssid is remember that
22:47:40 <simprix>	if it says under W: N, then they arent using wep
22:48:03 <simprix>	ok so once you have got these
22:48:32 <simprix>	you will need pop out your card to take it out of promiscues mode 
22:48:40 <simprix>	and pop it back in 
22:48:48 <simprix>	then you will open wlanfe
22:49:11 <simprix>	and under ssid type the ssid you got from kismet
22:49:16 <simprix>	and click apply
22:49:25 <simprix>	now you are attached 
22:49:43 <simprix>	now you need to get a ip 
22:50:00 <simprix>	if the access point is using dhcp you can get it that way
22:50:14 <simprix>	but if it isnt you need to find out what ips they are using
22:50:24 <simprix>	to do this we will use arping 
22:51:08 <simprix>	run that and we will get some ips they are using 
22:51:23 <simprix>	so you will assign a unused ip using ifconfig
22:51:43 <simprix>	and then it is just like you are on a normal network
22:51:46 <simprix>	any questions?
22:52:12 <miteymous>	so at this point you are connected and have internet access?
22:52:21 <Strider>	huh? is this thing still going??
22:52:24 <miteymous>	and access to their network?
22:52:25 <Strider>	j/k
22:52:29 <Paranoiac>	Hehe
22:52:34 <simprix>	yes 
22:52:39 <simprix>	what Strider are you bored
22:52:50 <miteymous>	whoah
22:53:03 <Paranoiac>	Are there many networks that are unsecured?
22:53:09 <simprix>	yes
22:53:12 <simprix>	lots
22:53:18 <Paranoiac>	Groovy
22:53:28 <simprix>	the city hall in my town is not using wep
22:53:40 <simprix>	Strider: what can we do to keep you interested
22:53:53 <Strider>	me?
22:53:55 <Strider>	ermm
22:53:57 <Strider>	danece?
22:54:01 <Strider>	dance*
22:54:10 <Paranoiac>	How can you secure yourself from being detected/accessed?
22:54:12 <miteymous>	ok so lets say you are connected now
22:54:24 <miteymous>	would you be able to see all the computers that are shared on the network?
22:54:32 <simprix>	yes
22:54:36 <miteymous>	network neighborhood type thing?
22:54:37 <simprix>	if you use samba
22:54:43 <simprix>	sorry Strider
22:54:53 <simprix>	Paranoiac: i will get to securing them later
22:54:57 *	miteymous does the chicken dance for Strider
22:55:05 <Strider>	lmao
22:55:07 <Paranoiac>	Ahh, ok...thanks
22:55:16 <Paranoiac>	Bah....that's nothing
22:55:20 <miteymous>	wait i thought samba was used to show graphics
22:55:25 *	Paranoiac does the Funky Monkey
22:55:35 <miteymous>	when compiling programs etc
22:55:48 <simprix>	nope
22:55:54 <simprix>	what Strider
22:56:10 <miteymous>	ahhsoo o_O
22:56:40 <simprix>	ok everyone ready
22:56:46 <simprix>	to talk about wep
22:57:01 <miteymous>	yup
22:57:07 <Paranoiac>	Aye, cap'n
22:57:17 <Strider>	go on then
22:57:24 <simprix>	ok
22:57:41 <simprix>	well out in california two kids figured out how to break wep
22:58:31 <Strider>	hold on, whats wep?? is that still the wireless thingy?
22:58:41 <simprix>	yes
22:58:46 <Strider>	ah ok
22:58:49 <Strider>	carry on
22:58:51 <miteymous>	wireless encryption protocol :x
22:58:52 <simprix>	it is wireless encryption protocal
22:59:32 <simprix>	ok when you find a wireless network you need to use airsnort
23:00:11 <simprix>	with your card still in promiscuos mode you need to start airsnort and just start to gather packets 
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23:00:47 <simprix>	usually with a 128 bit wep key you should gather 1 gig of traffic
23:00:58 <simprix>	then it will list the wep key 
23:01:06 <simprix>	everyone with me so far
23:01:25 <Paranoiac>	So it grabs the key from the other user's packets?
23:01:37 <miteymous>	airsnort figures out the key for you?
23:01:44 <simprix>	yes and beacon frames
23:01:48 <simprix>	yes miteymous
23:02:02 <Paranoiac>	That's useful
23:02:20 <simprix>	yes
23:02:33 <simprix>	ok so once you have the wep key
23:02:52 <Paranoiac>	Is the WEP verification a constant activity then? As opposed to using it once, like a password....
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23:03:36 <simprix>	you will load up wlanfe and put the ssid you have and click on the wep key tab and type the key
23:03:45 <simprix>	yes it is constant Paranoiac
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23:05:10 <simprix>	ok so once you attach to the network you need to get your ip the same way you did before 
23:05:19 <simprix>	without wep
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23:06:29 <simprix>	ok there are three ways to secure a wireless network besides wep
23:06:31 ---	GOD is now known as satan
23:06:34 <miteymous>	kewl
23:06:37 <simprix>	cause wep sucks
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23:06:44 <Paranoiac>	Hehe
23:06:59 <satan>	hey this is already registered
23:07:46 <simprix>	ok the three ways are a radius server, a kerbores server, ipsec
23:07:56 ---	satan is now known as compaq
23:08:36 <simprix>	if you need to know about those ways read the rfc's cause i am not going to explain them this time maybe another lecture
23:09:07 <miteymous>	suhweet
23:09:11 <simprix>	ok im done any questions 
23:09:19 <simprix>	or opinions 
23:09:25 <miteymous>	do you have to have a big antennae?
23:09:30 <simprix>	no 
23:09:33 <miteymous>	and how far away can you be
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23:09:48 <simprix>	500 feet is 2 megs a second 
23:09:57 *	Strider is away (finger lickin the chicken)
23:10:03 <miteymous>	hmm
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23:10:06 <miteymous>	thats not that far
23:10:07 <Paranoiac>	What kind of wireless is this?
23:10:08 <simprix>	i would not go past 500 feet
23:10:19 <simprix>	its 802.11b
23:10:26 <Paranoiac>	Ahh good
23:10:34 <Paranoiac>	At least I've heard of it
23:10:43 <simprix>	802.11a, 802.11g are supposed to be better
23:10:44 <miteymous>	but you said earlier you could bridge it, so itd be possible to get within say 100 feet, bridge the connection to a landline that went back to your house?
23:11:04 <simprix>	yea you could do that 
23:11:07 <miteymous>	to keep the speeds?
23:11:11 <Ravish>	hi
23:11:14 <simprix>	bridges go up to 2 miles 
23:11:20 <simprix>	hey ravish 
23:11:29 <miteymous>	oh wow
23:11:30 <Paranoiac>	What is a bridge, exactly?
23:11:48 <miteymous>	can i build one using a coke can and a piece of twine? :p
23:12:04 <simprix>	not a bridge maybe a antenna
23:12:27 <Paranoiac>	Hehehe
23:12:27 <miteymous>	lol
23:12:47 <miteymous>	omgggggggg
23:12:52 <miteymous>	coke all over my pc
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23:13:06 <Paranoiac>	.....that's not goof
23:13:09 <Paranoiac>	*good
23:13:27 <simprix>	ok everyone done
23:13:33 <Paranoiac>	Groovy
23:13:33 <simprix>	or more questions
23:13:46 <Paranoiac>	By the way, where do you get your tools from?
23:13:53 <simprix>	the internet
23:14:00 <Paranoiac>	......thanks
23:14:08 <simprix>	freshmeat
23:14:18 <Paranoiac>	Thank you
23:15:13 <simprix>	so do you guys think i did a good job on my first lecture
23:15:22 <miteymous>	yes :)
23:15:23 <Paranoiac>	Yep
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23:15:36 <miteymous>	im gonna try it out next year, and maybe get free internet access :x
23:15:38 <Paranoiac>	This is my first, and it was damned good
23:15:57 ---	AOL is now known as GODFATHER
23:16:01 <simprix>	ok well if you suys have any questions you can email me at simprix@simprix.net
23:16:19 <simprix>	or simprix@projectnexus.org
23:16:27 <Paranoiac>	Here's a question: Is there any way to cloak your connection, so that they network can't see your pc?
23:17:03 <simprix>	well you could drop ping packets and setup a firewall and close all ports 
23:17:20 <simprix>	but if your doing something on the network they will see you
23:17:33 <Paranoiac>	Ahh
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23:19:37 <miteymous>	oh
23:19:43 <miteymous>	so eventually they will find you
23:19:53 <Paranoiac>	Another stupid question: Which OS are you people running?
23:19:59 <GODFATHER>	win XP
23:20:05 <simprix>	yea if you camp out their
23:20:14 <miteymous>	:/
23:20:22 <simprix>	i run linux
23:20:30 <miteymous>	i run winxp atm
23:20:32 <Paranoiac>	Which distro?
23:20:33 <GODFATHER>	i run mandrake also
23:20:34 *	Strider is back (finger lickin the chicken) - was away 11mins 38secs
23:20:43 <BaGeL>	night guys
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23:20:47 <simprix>	crux 
23:20:57 <Paranoiac>	Ah
23:21:01 <Paranoiac>	Ty
23:21:01 <miteymous>	umm
23:21:09 <miteymous>	corporate pro
23:21:54 <Paranoiac>	Is there a lecture at this time every week?
23:22:03 <simprix>	not that i know of
23:22:05 <miteymous>	i think there should be :x
23:22:15 <simprix>	yea
23:22:29 <Paranoiac>	How does one find out when there will be one?
23:22:43 <simprix>	ask AZTEK
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23:23:00 <simprix>	i think there hadn't been one in awhile
23:23:11 <Strider>	anyone wanna do a lec on summin a bit more n00b orientated?
23:23:21 <miteymous>	yah, like spoofing your ip :x
23:23:26 <Paranoiac>	Wasn't this n00b orientated?
23:23:35 <Strider>	pfft
23:23:44 <Strider>	it is if u know about it
23:23:56 <miteymous>	i know about it now, so i would say it was :P
23:24:00 <Paranoiac>	...crazy...I thought it was
23:24:42 <Strider>	well i dont know jack shit about linux so i didnt understand a bit of it
23:24:54 <miteymous>	you can do it on windows too though :/
23:25:03 <th0rn>	hey can someone please help me find a nice big FAQ on totalitarianism?
23:25:07 <Paranoiac>	You don't use Linux?
23:25:12 <th0rn>	:-)
23:25:14 <th0rn>	lol
23:25:15 <th0rn>	damn research paper
23:25:19 <Strider>	nope
23:25:24 <th0rn>	i've been lookin all over
23:25:25 <simprix>	hey guys im going to bed
23:25:31 <miteymous>	thanx a lot simprix
23:25:38 <Paranoiac>	Thanks
23:25:41 <simprix>	no problem
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23:25:56 <Paranoiac>	You've made a simple n00b very happy
23:26:02 <simprix>	ok
23:26:04 <simprix>	see ya
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23:26:18 <miteymous>	bye
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23:27:36 <Strider>	them logs should come in handy when i do get linux :)
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23:28:17 <Paranoiac>	Hehe...I would have got it a long time ago if it weren't for my crappy 56k
23:28:58 *	Paranoiac doesn't like 7-day downloads...